prior to this time, we had, in the palestinian authority formally you were referring to yasser arafat. he had control over the palestinian. hamas is a new player. we don't have control not only over hamas but we don't have the relationship with egypt we used to have, when we had a single individu individual, so-called dictator, mubarak, who was very prowestern pro american. we could have a conversation like this with him. now you have along ideological group, hamas, in charge of gaza and an ideaologyical president, morsi, in charge of will egypt. >> ironically, both democratically elected. >> that's true. downside of the arab spring is that in the near term the views of the people are if you take them into account are very, very difficult to deal with. >> dictators sometimes can manage their people in terrible ways, but also just can handle it. and that is both the upside and downside of the uprising, right? >> absolutely. mubarak did have control over his population, he d he he had a pro western view. we had an egyptian leader of the most populous country in the region against iran,